All investors can benefit from financial advice. Quite simply there is ‘stuff’ that we don’t know. And you don’t know what you don’t know. But there are professionals who do know. There are various types and levels of advice. In this post we will top line what is advice-only financial planning? It can also be referred to as pay-for-service advice.
Most investment and financial planning advice in Canada is attached to the investment recommendation. The investment advisors are paid by the investments. That can create a conflict of interest as the advisor can be motivated by the investment recommendation. And those fees can be hidden, or buried within the investment. With mutual funds, the advisor or dealership will receive the trailing commission. That fee is typically 1% of the fund assets, on an annual basis. The investor will also pay the management fee on the fund.
Conflict-free advice.
Advice-only planners offer conflict-free advice. The client will receive financial planning but no investment recommendation. When you use an advice-only planner there is a wall between the financial plan and the investments used to reach the financial goals. The fees paid is clear and disclosed. It is a direct arrangement between the client and the planner.
Here’s a definition offered by Objective Financial Partners.
Advice-only planners can concentrate on what they do best and where they can add the greatest value. They will create a holistic life plan. They will help you reach your financial and life goals. The separation of financial planning and investment recommendations makes perfect sense. These are specific areas of expertise.
We know and accept specialists in the medical professions. We might embrace that notion in the areas of wealth building and personal finance.
Advice-only planning delivers on …
Again the overarching goal is to help you reach your life and financial goals. Planners will look at …
- Tax planning and preparation.
- Retirement planning.
- Retirement funding strategies.
- Goal based investment strategies.
- Estate planning.
- Insurance assessment and recommendations.
- Family meetings and services.
- Advice on caring for seniors.
- Budgeting and saving and investment coaching.
I like this description from Money Coaches Canada …
“It’s a written document that takes a big-picture look at your whole financial situation, both now and in the future. It identifies and prioritizes your short, medium and long-term lifestyle and financial goals; it clarifies your current financial position, including your net worth and cash flows; and it specifies the steps and strategies you need to take to get from here to there.
A financial plan is a tool with well-defined objectives. It’s a roadmap that helps you define your financial life goals and provides the tools, information and structure necessary to organize your finances and make the most of the money you have.
Soft skills.
And we cannot forget those soft skills. The encouragement and coaching can turn a financial life around. A great planner can be a mediator. They can help families navigate difficult and emotional times that can involve the transfer of wealth and the sharing of financial assets. At times a planner can be a financial marriage counselor. It can be tough to get a family on track when one spouse is a saver and the other a spender. It’s much more than reports and pieces of paper and emails. The planner’s task is to understand you and your life.
Discovery and implementation.
The process will begin with a discovery period. The planner needs to know what you’re all about. You’ll send in documentation for assets. They need to see where you’re at. And of course they’ll get to know you and your life and financial goals.
After some back and forth, you’ll receive written plans. And then the plan goes into play. The planner can suggest investment and tax and insurance and other specialists. Planners will often work with those professionals who are on your team. While there may be many teammates, you can think of the financial planner as the quarterback.
One time, once a year or ongoing support.
The great advantage of fee-for-service or advice-only planning is that you can pay for what you need. At Kind Wealth you can access a portfolio check up for $349. With that service you will get a breakdown on your current investment fees and asset allocation. They’ll check that your investments match your goals and risk tolerance level. Are your investments in the right plan types?
Kind Wealth also offers a one-time financial advice meeting for $249.
Here’s the pricing for their financial planning services.
Caring for Clients offers hourly consulting at $300 per hour, investment planning for $1,500, retirement planning for $2,500 and a comprehensive personal plan for individuals or couples for $4,500.
Another popular service is Money Coaches Canada.
Here’s their breakdown on fees and who might use those specific services.
And from Spring Financial Planning .
It is estimated there are over 200 financial planners providing fee-only, advice-only financial planning in Canada. In contrast, there are 18,000 Certified Financial Planners, 25,000 financial planners and 90,000 financial advisers in Canada.
That means about 1/6 of 1% of this country’s financial advisers provide advice-only financial planning. But it is a growing trend and it is very popular with Canadians. Rona Birenbaum of Caring for Clients recently reported that she does not have the capacity to take on all of the new client requests.
Do you need an advice-only planner?
How you feel about your finances might offer the greatest insight. Do you feel that your financial life is in order? Is your debt under control? Are you saving and investing on a regular schedule? Do you have proper insurances? Do you have a plan to retire? If you have more questions than answers, you might need an advice-only planner.
It’s also possible that if you have modest assets and you’re early in the stages of filling your TFSA and RRSP buckets …
You might not need to pay for advice.
And remember that the financial plan provides a road map, it does not include the specific investment recommendations. Here’s how you might invest once you have your plan in had.
Thanks for reading? I hope you now have the answers to – What is advice-only financial planning?
Please share your experiences in the comment section.
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Chris Jeblonski
Thanks Dale,
Very good information. Would you perhaps have names for US advisors. Planning for 2020 retirement.
Thanks again,
Chris
Dale Roberts
Hi Chris, sorry I don’t know the US market for advice-only. But I’ll check with a writer friend. Perhaps she has a list or two. Bug me please if I do not get back to you. Thanks for reading and for stopping by.
Dale
Ivan
Nice write up and collection of advice only planners for Canadians! Don’t see them on other personal finance blogs I subscribe to, so kind thanks for bringing this to our attention.
I have done some similar research before personally, and wanted to mention some other planning advice only options –
Rob of boomer and echo fame, Viviplan, and Planeasy.
I am in my mid 30s and in the accumulation phase, but can definitely use some guidance. But I am a little hung up on the ROI bit yet. So awaiting your followup post eagerly on when it makes sense to go ahead and pay for the advice
Katey
Ivan, the financial planning field is not regulated in most provinces. Make sure the FP you hire has proper credentials. The Certified Financial Planning (CFP) designation is probably the most recognized.
(BTW Robb Engen of Boomer and Echo is not certified.)
David Toyne
Way to go Dale. Its great to see this small group of independent, objective planners getting some attention. They deserve it. @ Steadyhand, we often refer our clients to these advice only planners so we know the group very well. It makes a lot of sense for Canadians to ditch their 2.4% bank/broker/insurance company advisor (who may not be doing any actual planning for them) and hire a low cost investment alternative and use some of the first year savings to pay for real, meaningful and independent planning advice.
Here’s an example: Canadian has $400k in investments (RSP, LIRA, TFSA) and an asset mix of 60% stocks, 40% bonds. They’ll likely be paying MER’s of 2.4% (Morningstar average fund costs) so $9,600 in annual fees. Move to an investment arrangement costing 1% and the fee drops to $4,000 SAVING $5.6k ANNUALLY. More than enough to pay the planner fee in the first year.
If only more Canadians realized that their investment fees are likely one of their top 10, possibly top 5 annual family expenditures, they might be more motivated to look around for alternatives.
Dale Roberts
Great comment and example David, thanks for that. There’s so much flexibility as well. Some may only need some ‘advice light’. They can pay as they go. And investors may not need to pay those fees every year. They might get set on the right track and check in every few years.
Dale
David Toyne
exactly. if only more Canadians knew. thanks for doing your part to bring it to light.
John
I can tell you as a 46 year old employed since I was 16 that people don’t know because there is an aire of secrecy about things like this to the general public. It’s as if there is a secret club of low fee investing that you need to be invited to. Things that all Canadians should be taught in school, not be invited to because you “knew the right people”. Yes I’m frustrated.
People are tired of all the hoops you need to jump through just to find this information, myself included. The market is saturated with people like banks trying to earn(steal) that 2.4% from us, so of course we’re jaded when it comes to these new ideas. I get that people may have spent money getting certified to give financial advice and are now charging for giving that advice. But there are so many more people who desperately need that Advice are are in no position to pay what these advisors are charging, and that is the shame in this self directed investment industry.
Steve Bridge
Great article Dale and thank you for talking about the advice-only space!
I wouldn’t be doing this if it wasn’t in the best interests of Canadians !
I think people would be shocked at how much money an advice-only planner can save them (recommending lower fee investment options, saving on taxes, correcting inappropriate insurance, drawdown strategies, etc. )
Steve
Ron Booker
Thanks for the tip to find a financial planner that is better than the competition if you want to get the best service. My dad is looking to start a small business, and he has had always had trouble keeping track of his finances. Because my dad gets confused with handling money so easily, I’ll be sure to help him find a financial planner that has invested a lot of time in their craft.
Dale Roberts
Best to get trusted advice of course in many areas. And best to not pay ongoing fees for most of us.
Dale
Krysten Merriman
Great post, Dale! If it’s okay with you, I’d like to shamelessly plug http://www.adviceonlyplanners.ca. It’s a collection of independent Advice Only Planners from across the country. The planners in the forum learn from one another and build awareness of this valuable service for Canadians.
Securities America
This is a very informative blog, thanks for sharing about what is an advice- only financial planning. It will help a lot; these types of content should get appreciated. I will bookmark your site; I hope to read more such informative contents in future.
Francois
Very helpful post, Dale. I have a pretty good sense of the types of ETFs I want to invest in, but it’s the tax treatment I’m unsure about, particularly if I stop being a resident of Canada. Do you know anyone who knows this area well and could help me? Thanks
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I love this insight about financial planning . Thanks for sharing this information.