Tangerine has launched three ETF Portfolios. With management fees of .65% the Tangerine ETF Portfolios will compete with the Robo Advisors that also use ETFs. As readers may know, I was an investment advisor with Tangerine Investments for over 5 years, from 2013 and into 2018. I had long suggested (begged) that they find a way to lower their fees (from 1.07%) on their core index-based mutual fund portfolios. The Tangerine ETF Portfolio are more than a welcome addition for Canadians and Tangerine clients.
This new offering from Tangerine is obviously designed to compete with the Canadian Robo Advisors. And compete they will. In comparison, fees for Canadian Robo Advisors are in the range of 0.45% to 0.90%, so Tangerine is certainly in line with the average Robo. While it’s not just about the fees, if that is your main consideration you can have a read of this post.
Who is the most cost effective Robo Advisor in Canada.
That post looks into Questrade’s Questwealth Portfolios (“you’re not sill investing with Mom and Dad’s guy are you?”) and Nest Wealth that uses a flat fee subscription based model, with fees that starts at $20 per month and caps out at $80 per month. You will then add in the fees for the ETF holdings.
Scotiabank ETFs in a mutual fund wrapper.
The Tangerine Global ETF Portfolios employ (with one exception) Scotiabank ETFs in a Tangerine mutual-fund wrapper. (As you may know, Tangerine is a subsidiary of Scotiabank, acquired in 2015 from ING.) Because the offerings are mutual funds, there are no fees when you buy or sell.
The ETF Portfolios are available at three risk levels and will use these ETFs:
- Scotia Canadian Bond Index Tracker ETF
- Scotia U.S. Equity Index Tracker ETF
- Scotia International Equity Index Tracker ETF
- iShares Core MSCI Emerging Markets IMI Index ETF
- Scotia Canadian Large Cap Equity Index Tracker ETF
Three levels of risk.
The Balanced ETF Portfolio is 60% stocks and 40% bonds.
The Balanced Growth ETF Portfolio is 75% stocks and 25% bonds.
The Equity Growth ETF Portfolio is 100% stocks.
Tangerine’s Global ETF Portfolios will follow a global index weighting that will favour U.S. stocks over Canadian and International equities. At the same time the portfolios will offer exposure to the growth-oriented Emerging Market stocks. I mentioned the potential for EM stocks in a MoneySense post from Nov. 6, 2020. Emerging market stocks are up by 20% from positive vaccine news in early November of 2020, besting the performance of U.S. stocks, developed markets and Canadian stocks. Many embrace the theme that emerging markets will be a superior holding and portfolio diversifier (compared to developing markets) in the coming years and decades.
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As an example here’s the allocation and assets for the Balanced Growth ETF Portfolio.
Is Tangerine Investments a Robo Advisor?
In my opinion, Tangerine Investments became the first Robo Advisor in Canada with the introduction of their core index-based mutual fund portfolios in 2008. These are more “complete” managed portfolios that can be accessed online, with an online risk and suitability assessment. When it comes to the question ‘what is a Robo Advisor?’ they tick all of the boxes.
That said, I had asked is Tangerine a Robo Advisor?, and the answer largely came back as no. I even conducted a Twitter poll that offered that verdict. Will the fact that Tangerine now offers robo-like portfolios that employ ETFs be enough to satisfy robo snobs? Ha. 🙂 In the end it does not matter what category you want to put them in. The Tangerine ETF Portfolios offer another wonderful low-fee solution for the many Canadians who are still stuck in high fee and poor performing mutual funds.
How Tangerine clients can switch to ETF portfolios.
Tangerine clients who currently hold the core portfolios and would like to switch to the Tangerine ETF portfolios can simply hit the “switch my portfolio” button once they are logged into their investment account. Keep in mind that if you hold the core portfolio in a non-registered account, switching may trigger capital gains, and you may have to pay some taxes. Seek professional tax advice if you have any concerns.
And you may ask the question – ‘should I switch out of my Tangerine core portfolio?’
If you are in the core Tangerine Balanced Income Portfolio, keep in mind that portfolio is much lower risk compared to the Balanced ETF Portfolio. The Balanced Income Portfolio is 70% bonds, while the Balanced Portfolio is 40% bonds. If you like the idea of a lower risk portfolio, you ‘d stay put. Also, there is the Tangerine Dividend Portfolio. If you like the idea of the big juicy dividends (perhaps for more tax efficiency in non registered accounts) you’d stay put. That fund also applies a quality screen. So, it offers profitability and quality.
Removing that Canadian home bias.
The greatest difference between the old and the new is the equity allocation. The new Tangerine ETF Portfolios are underweight Canadian stocks and overweight US stocks. In essence that is a bet, even though we are dealing with two ‘passive’ index-based sets of portfolios.
There are many who think Canadian stocks will outperform over the next few years if we experience another commodities ‘super’ cycle, or enter an inflationary period. I covered that topic in a MoneySense post. But we certainly don’t know the future.
That said, there is no guarantee that the lower fee portfolio will outperform the higher fee portfolio. They are both wonderful portfolios with very reasonable fees. The asset allocation will determine what will be the outperforming funds. To July 2024 the ETF Portfolios are outperforming the Core Portfolios by a modest amount, thanks to lower fees and a greater allocation to the roaring U.S stock markets.
Balanced ETF Portfolio, Balanced Growth ETF Portfolio, and Equity Growth ETF Portfolio as of November 12, 2020. Balanced Income ETF Portfolio as of January 6, 2022.
When I did comparisons for Tangerine clients, I would find that the core Tangerine portfolios would outperform the clients’ outside assets at an alarming rate. Well over 95% of the time.
Great portfolios and investment advice.
Investors will be well served by this combination of sensible global asset allocation and low fees. One would need to be a client of Tangerine to access these ETF portfolios. The sign up process is easy and can be completed online. If you need help you can chat with one of their investment advisors. And once you’re in and investing, you will also have continued access to those advisors. If you prefer, you can also choose to do everything online from start to finish – that Robo option.
The ETF portfolios are available for TFSA, RRSP, RRIF and non registered accounts. I would strongly suggest that you consider making that switch if you are currently invested in higher fee mutual funds. The transfer process is easy, and it can usually be done by completing an online transfer form. Once again keep taxes in mind if you are transferring taxable, non registered accounts. There are no tax implications for RRSP, RRIF and TFSA accounts.
Tangerine does not offer RESP accounts. I would strongly suggest that you use Justwealth for RESP accounts. They offer target date funds that adjust the risk level as the student approaches the education start date and the need of those RESP funds.
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Dale
Herbert
Thank you!
Malcolm
Real good article. Thank you!
Dale Roberts
Thanks Malcolm, that is great appreciated. I hope you’re in some low fee ‘stuff’, somewhere 🙂
Dale
fbgcai
Hi – thanks for posting. I was wondering, are these ETFs available to other non-Tangerine accounts or are they strictly “in house” ? I really do not want to setup/transfer to a different account
Dale Roberts
Hi, this are in-house funds for Tangerine. It’s quite easy to set up a Tangerine account. You can do it all online. You are currently in higher fee mutual funds?
Dale
fbgcai
thanks for the info Dale – no I do not hold any mutual funds save Mawer 104 (small amount). I have discount brokerage accounts holding individual stocks. What I’m looking for is diversification outside of Canada.
Dale Roberts
OK. ETFs are a wonderful way to get that International diversification. And even the Tangerine Global Equity Growth ETF would do the trick, as there’s not much Canada in there.
Dale
fbgcai
thanks Dale
David Toyne
Hey Dale, why doesn’t Tangerine offer RESP’s?
Dale Roberts
Hi David, they run a lean ship. If they added RESPs they would have to double staff and it would only be a small part of their business. They’d have to raise their fees. So in the greater interest of the greater group of clients, no RESPs.
Canadians to go Justwealth for that. 🙂
https://cutthecrapinvesting.com/2019/10/29/the-smart-way-to-invest-in-the-resp-at-justwealth/
Dale
Gail
The competition for these funds is really asset allocation ETFs (Vanguard, iShares, BMO, Horizons, TD all have these offerings, MERs in 0.2-0.25% range) , not roboadvisors IMO. Given this, fees are still too high.
Dale Roberts
Hi Gail, the asset allocation ETFs are for the self directed investor, they still have to press that buy button. The Tangerine portfolios come with a risk and suitability and goals assessment (plus advisors) just as do the Robo Advisors.
It is the appropriate comparison I believe.
If an investor is comfortable and aware of what to buy, they should certainly go one ticket, or create their own ETF portfolio or stock portfolio.
Dale
Kris W
Thanks for the review! Would you recommend switching to these if you have the existing “core” tangerine investments already? My sister has the balanced growth portfoluio and my mom the balanced portfolio.
Dee
Curious to know what the real benefit is of converting to the ETF funds.
With Tangerine’s Core funds, the MER is 1.06% and the Trading expense ratio (TER) is 0 or 0.01%.
With the ETF portfolios, the MER is 0.76%, but the TER is 0.3%, so the fund expenses add up to the same amount. Am I missing something? Is the TER only charged when you make trades or something? It just looks like a bait and switch kinda deal, but would love to get your take on that.
Much appreciated.
Dale Roberts
Hi Dee, the main difference is the asset allocation. I did create a post on that but did not press play, ha. The original core funds have outperformed the new and cheaper ETF funds. The core funds equal weight Canada/US/International.
The ETFs use a cap weighted approach so it is highly skewed to the U.S.
The TER is an underlying and ongoing trading fee/costs. It is reported annually, but is always present and a drag.
The TERs are low in these funds compared to active funds. TERs are very low in passive index vehicles.
I will find that comparison post and press play this week.
Dee
Great, thanks Dale, very interesting! Look forward to reading it.