The 4% rule is a retirement funding rule of thumb that suggests potential spend rates in retirement. That is, if you need to push an investment portfolio to the max, you might be able to spend 4.2% (annually) of the portfolio value, adjusted for inflation. Morningstar recently had a look at the 4% rule and given expensive U.S. stock markets and low bond yields, suggest that you might greatly lower your expectations. We’re rewriting the 4% rule on the Sunday Reads.
Here’s the post from Ruth Saldanha at Morningstar – Is the 4% rule dead?
And here’s the link to a podcast interview with Bill Bengen, the creator of that 4% rule.
From the Morningstar post – But a 3.3% rule might do.
Benz, Rekenthaler and Ptak employed 30-year asset-class return estimates provided by Morningstar Investment Management (Equity returns between 6% and 11%, fixed income returns between 2% to 3.5% and inflation of 2.1%) and found a 3.3% starting safe withdrawal rate for balanced portfolios.
This table suggesting spend rates for various asset allocations and time in retirement. From the table, if you were planning to spend 35 years in retirement and had a 60/40 balanced portfolio, you would plan for a 3% spend rate.
Of course, one problem is that the evaluation uses a 2.1% inflation rate. The posted rate of inflation is now 5% in Canada and almost 8% in the U.S.
Does anyone really use the 4% rule?
No one really uses the 4% rule if they have a well-thought-out retirement financial plan. In retirement there will be a funding dance between private and government pensions, inheritances, home sales proceeds, other real estate income, part-time work income, plus that portfolio (in RRIF/TFSA/Taxable). At times, for many, the retirement plan might suggest that you spend down certain buckets at 8% (for example) while letting other buckets grow. A real retirement funding plan is not rigid.
Here’s an example from Cashflows & Portfolios.
That said, that does not mean that we should completely discount the Morningstar and other studies that suggest we might plan for the retirement portfolio to have much less funding ability in the future.
On MoneySense, here’s a post from Jonathan Chevreau – Is the 4% rule obsolete?
That post suggests that, save for a couple of outliers, history offers …
Even with that terrible timing, retirees could safely withdraw 4.15% of their portfolios. Kitces broadened the data set and found two more “worst case scenarios” that included 1907 and 1966. Even so, the average safe withdrawal rate throughout every available period was 6% to 6.5%. “Even more remarkable,” Engen says, “when starting with a $1-million portfolio and using the 4% Rule, retirees finished with the original million 96% of the time.”
Also on MoneySense, my weekly column – Making Sense of the markets. That post likely offers my best compilation of interesting charts to date.
Flexibility is key
Many will suggest that you use a variable retirement funding plan. Moving forward, we don’t know the inflation rate, nor the returns for stocks, bonds, commodities, gold, real estate, bitcoin.
Take what the market gives you. If the portfolio offers a few years of incredible gains, spend at a higher rate. When the markets tank, you might harvest less income from the portfolio. I am working on a variable withdrawal rate post. Stay tuned.
A few keys for retirees who are entering retirement would be – start retirement with enough of a defensive stance. Take away the stress. No one wants to enter retirement worrying about the state of the stock markets.
- Have enough in cash and short term bonds
- Keep your fees low
- Hold a well-balanced portfolio
- Add some dedicated inflation protection
- Consult a retirement specialist, get a plan
More Sunday Reads
On My Own Advisor we have – inflation isn’t going back to normal weekend reads edition.
And more of the heavy lifting on what to read this weekend is thanks to Dividend Hawk and his week in review.
At The Findependence Hub, how investment fees can set you back years or greatly reduce your retirement income. What is shocking is that you would reduce your portfolio spend rate by your fees paid. Fees eat away at your retirement. If a sustainable spend rate turns out to be 3.3% and you’re paying an advisor 2% (insert scary face emoji, ha). Good luck with that after-fees 1.3% spend rate.
The self-directed investor has such a wonderful advantage. We can invest with fees well below 0.10%.
Kid stuff
On Passive Canadian income, Rob looks at the kids’ portfolios. Yes can’t start too early, that’s for sure.
Related must-read post: The smart way to invest in the RESP with Justwealth.
On Tawcan, Bob offers his 2021 financial review. From that post –
In 2021 we spent a total of $71,852.02 CAD or $57,434.75 USD. This has been the highest annual spending amount since we started tracking our expenses in 2011.
That’s a very interesting deep dive.
There’s a bunch of new posts on stocktrades.ca, including how old age security works.
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Thanks for reading. Have a wonderful Sunday, and week.
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RICARDO
For some reason it always irks me when I see “safe” withdrawal rates. I have tried numerous times to convince the CRA about this but they maintain their “set in stone” mandatory age based withdrawal rates. Guess they want to get all those delayed taxes back in to their coffers.
So I have been retired since 2017 and so far have lived within my pre-retirement budget forecast. I am only starting to build a non-registered portfolio with “spare” cash. That is the only place that I can vary my withdrawal rate. All the other incomes (RRQ/CPP; OAS and small company DBP) are pretty well set in stone with minimum increases (might be interesting next year) for COLA. In addition I have a RIF, LIF and TFSA. TFSA is, so far, completely re-invested and top up every year (with contribution should be approx an additional $20K this year)
Maybe because of COVID we just are not spending the money that is coming in so it gets shunted off to the non-registered account. So it is growing now and as I like dividends it is bearing fruit as well.
Hopefully we will be able to get out and about this year a bit more. Big meetup in Kingston mid June and maybe even a US trip in late summer.
So variable withdrawal rates are only for those who are financially well off. I would posit that the majority of retirees are living on government plans as well as any RIF.LIF monies they have. So no variable rates for them, and until recently me.
RICARDO
Dale Roberts
Thanks Ricardo. You are certainly is an enviable position that you can build accounts during retirement. Congrats on that. And I hope you do get the opportunity for more travel and experience in the near future.
Many retirees will be pushing their portfolios as hard as possible.
Dale
Jodi
Hi Dale,
Hope that this message finds you well. I simply wanted to let you know that I love reading your articles. Your reading has steered me into taking on the self management of my investments shortly before an unexpected early retirement due to health issues. ( No worries… I’m going to be just fine overall. 😀 both financially and my health ). After moving out my investments to a robo advisor 6 years ago, I’ve slowly been creating a 100% self managed portfolio. With many thanks
To you !! Thanks to your clear, concise articles with jargon explained, I was able to start my financial education and grow it quickly. I’m now a huge consumer of investment & financial independence podcasts, books, websites and articles. Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom and insight. You are giving back to people in more ways than you know.
Dale Roberts
Thanks Jodi, first off I’m so glad to read that everything is fine on the health front. And great news on the financial front. It is a great advantage to take control of your own investments.
And it’s so nice to read that comment. That’s exactly what this is all about. The Robo’s can be a wonderful training ground, and I’m glad that I’ve been able to help.
Dale
My Own Advisor
I like Ricardo’s thinking here.
I don’t like any SWR even though I believe 4% is a good starting point to drive your own work and conclusions from. Use it as the starting point. As you know, I’ve mentioned that on my site often.
Bengen’s work was done on 50/50 during a huge bull-run of bonds. Not gonna happen again anytime soon. 🙂
I know for us, we’re pursuing much higher % of equities to enter semi-retirement with, and a modest cash wedge. Certainly more volatility for me but as I work part-time, that is fine. I will simply build my cash to 1-2 years in cushion as I enter full retirement and “live of dividends” during the early years.
From Bengen’s actual study:
“Sorting this all out, I think it is appropriate to advise the client to accept a
stock allocation as close to 75 percent as possible, and in no cases less than 50
percent. Stock allocations lower than 50 percent are counterproductive, in that
they lower the amount of accumulated wealth as well as lowering the minimum
portfolio longevity. Somewhere between 50-percent and 75-percent stocks will
be a client’s “comfort zone.” An asset allocation as high as 75 percent in stocks during retirement seems to fly in the face of conventional wisdom in at least the wisdom I have heard. But the charts do not lie they tell their story very plainly.”
I think if most retirees can avoid depleting their portfolio “too much” in the first 5-10 years of retirement, they will be more than fine when any government benefits flow in.
That’s the key for any retirement plan: avoid downside risk early in the first 5 or better still, 10 years. That’s the downside you cannot possibly recover from when not working. Or maybe my wife can still work? 🙂 Ha. I doubt it.
Thanks for the mentions, always very kind and generous of you.
Your work here is great, Dale. 🙂
Sincerely,
Mark