You gotta sell shares to not sell yourself short. Oh, the irony. This week I published a very popular (and unpopular) post on Seeking Alpha. The post showed how a retiree could greatly increase their income by selling shares of the popular ETF – Schwab’s SCHD. A retiree might boost the spend rate by 30% to 50% or more by combining dividends with homemade dividends. By homemade dividends I mean share sales, of course. When it comes to risk there is no difference between a dividend and a share sale. The income producing methods remove value and transfer value in an equal manner – other than for tax purposes. We’re selling shares to create retirement income on the Sunday Reads.
This weeks’ Sunday Reads will bounce nicely off of last week’s effort – Don’t be afraid to take profits. And here’s the post on Seeking Alpha –
Sell shares to create double the retirement income with SCHD.
The current yield for SCHD is 3.3%. If a retiree merely were to “live off of the dividends” they would likely be leaving a lot of money and retirement lifestyle on the table. Whether or not they could double their income would be the call of the total returns of the SCHD fund.
Selling shares while your profit ownership grows
In the live off of the dividends post (above) I used BlackRock as an example where the retiree is selling shares while the risk is totally under control. And remember, dividend payments do not add any benefit to managing sequence of returns risk, compared to equal value share sales.
In the BlackRock example the retiree (that’s me, I’m a holder of BLK) created 38% more income compared to living off of the dividends, they reduced the share count by a measly 2.8%. That said, the share count is irrelevant. During that 7-year period when the retiree created 38% more income by selling 2.8% of the share count, the revenues and earnings doubled. Our personal ownership of profits, earnings and free cash flow increased dramatically. It is the business success (earnings etc) that protects our spend rate and allows us to increase our spend rate over time.
Selling shares of SCHD
In the Seeking Alpha post I showed how a retiree could have boosted the spend rate to 5.0% from SCHD inception. This happened …
The portfolio increased dramatically while creating that generous income. Obviously, the retiree did not spend enough. Now keep in mind that SCHD was launched on what would be one of the most fortunate start dates for a retiree – 2012. The markets roared out of the gate giving the retiree a fabulous head start. Get a bad start date and this could happen …
This is a good time to bring up this post – Why retirees hold bonds, cash and GICs. Yes it is wise to manage the sequence risk.
Managing sequence risk in retirement
In the Seeking Alpha post I closed with …
I favor more defensive stocks for retirement. Defensive stocks were almost twice as good as a traditional balanced portfolio through the financial crisis.
I also manage the sequence of returns risk with ultra-short term bonds (SGOV) and some longer bond (TLT) and bond market (AGG) exposure. Gold (GLD) and Bitcoin (IBIT) are in the mix. REITs (ICF) and international equities (EFA) can be a useful portfolio addition as well.
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And here’s the go-to post and charts on creating retirement income from your portfolio. The tell-all safe spend rate chart courtesy of Norm Rothery, uses a traditional balanced portfolio.
The above safe spend rate chart demonstrates the superiority of U.S. stocks from 2012 vs a global portfolio. Of course, past performance does not guarantee future results.
When I went looking for an SCHD equivalent in Canadian Dollars, I found iShares XDU.TO, to my eye it might even be superior to SCHD. And yes, when the time comes I will be spending dividends and creating homemade dividends from XDU.TO.
Drop your thoughts in the comment section. Are you looking to create greater retirement income? Or do you take comfort in living off the dividends and other portfolio income?
Cut The Crap Investing Retirement Club
I will be starting a retirement investment club in January. It will be a forum for retirees and those approaching retirement. We’ll discuss everything retirement – from the financial aspects, lifestyle, physical and mental health, travel, hobbies and ‘your call’. What do you want to see covered and discussed and investigated? And also, we’ll just kill some time because we are bored as heck on a Wednesday afternoon. Kiddin’ of course. Your retirement is full and rewarding.
There will be a dedicated monthly newsletter and monthly Zoom call with the entire club. I’ll invite retirement specialists as guests. In-person gettogethers are a possibility eventually as well. There will be a modest annual fee – TBD based on your feedback.
If you’re interested contact me (Dale) via the Contact Form. That sends an email directly to me. I will then send you some more information 🙂 And I’m interested in your ideas and feedback on the club.
The Sunday Reads
Banker on Wheels offers the most robust weekend reads posts. He cycles through so many topics each week, covered by posts and podcasts.
In the mix, how to use the monte carlo simulators to gauge retirement portfolio success. And optimists are the best investors, even if the pessimists sound smarter. Over a year ago I offered a different headline on the same theme – Bears sound smart, bulls make money.
Dividend Hawk looks at his stocks, including dividends received and the news that’s fit to print. We shared the Royal Bank of Canada (RBC) bounty.
At Findependence Hub a very interesting post from BMO ETFs. You can turn your asset allocation ETF into a retirement income machine with a 6% spend rate. It pays you monthly, and of course it’s a mix of dividends, bond income and share sales.
The ETF you didn’t know you needed.
That may be a little bit aggressive for a balanced portfolio, so you’d have to keep an eye on that one and hope that you get a very beneficial start date.
Dividend Guy says dividends blind you
Hawk also linked to Mike’s post and podcast – Dividend Investing Blinds You [Podcast]
Bob at Tawcan offers how he invests his own money. Bob has paid the price for an exaggerated Canadian Home Bias. That risk might be more exaggerated these days with economic growth disappearing in Canada, our Dollar collapsing and Trump threatening massive tariffs that would certainly wreck our economy.
And yet, the Canadian stock market says …
The markets are not taking the Trump tariff threats seriously. Obviously, they are a bargaining tool. But higher tariffs may be on the way in some form. A true tariff war would likely cause a North American recession. The Professor adds …
Kyle at MoneySense offered a very good overview on tariffs and trade in Making Sense of the Markets.
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Joe
Hi Dale I would be interested in joining the retiree club. I’m roughly a few years away, but at 60 I would like more info on how to prepare accordingly.
Dale Roberts
Hi Joe, that’s wonderful. I have sent you an email:) This will be a fun and interesting experience.
Dale
Vicky Minich
Hi again Dale, I would be interested. I will be retired in June 2025. Decumulation is top priority for me and tax saviness as well. Chat soon.
Vicky/Victoria
Don
Hi Dale. Please send me an email as I am interested in the retiree or near retiree ( I am close to pulling the trigger ) club. Thanks.
Dale Roberts
Hi Don, I have sent you an email. So nice to hear from you and to hear of your interest in the Retirement Club.
Dale
Gary Klowak
Dale,
I would be interested in joining. My main interest is in tax efficient decumulation.
Thanks,
Gary
Dale Roberts
Hi Gary, so nice to hear from you. I will send you an email with more details.
Dale
Bernie
Dale,
I prefer and own NBI US Equity Fund F5 (NBC5743) over SCHD or XDU.TO. It holds quality US stocks and gives me a 5% annual distribution paid monthly. Yes it has a higher MER than SCHD & XDU.TO but its long term total return performance (measured post MER) is far superior . I have a mix of Cdn dividend growth stocks, mutual funds and ETFs which supply me with enough income so I don’t need to bother with selling shares to bump my income.
Dale Roberts
Thanks Bernie, I’ll have a look.
Fausto Alvarez
Hi Dale
I am interested in beling to the Retirement Club
Mark
Hi Dale,
In your article you mentioned ultra short term bonds. Are there any Canadian listed versions of these?
Also, I would be interested in information on your retirement club.
Dale Roberts
Hi Mark, thanks for dropping by and thanks for your comment. Yes there are Canadian Dollar versions for ultra-short term bonds. Think of them as risk-free cash, even though they are bonds. I often write of
CBIL for Canadian ultra-short
UBIL.U for U.S. market and U.S. Dollar ultra short
And BMO offers a Canadian Dollar ETF that holds U.S. ultra short … ZUCM
I will send you an email on the Retirement Club. Thanks for your interest in this new and exciting venture.
Mark
Thanks Dale. The HISA’s are dropping in yield so knowing some alternatives is helpful. Might be an idea for an article on your blog.
Dale Roberts
Hi Mark, yes the yields have certainly been coming down for a few months as expected. I have been writing on that and the ‘what we can do’ has been part of many posts. But I think a dedicated post is also in order.
I wrote of addining more bond exposure (a hedge for falling savings rates) back in October of ’23 …
https://cutthecrapinvesting.com/2023/10/29/the-bank-of-canada-says-ill-hold-on-the-sunday-reads/
The bond markets started to move then, and offered solid (cash beating) total returns. up about 13%.
We can still employ that strategy of cash plus bonds and that is a long term staple strategy for many.
Dave
Please sign me up for the retirement club.
Dale Roberts
Thanks Dave, that sounds great. I will end you an email. Looking forward to Retirement Club.
Dale
Charlie
Hi Dale,
Count me in for your retirement club! Tax optimized decumulation and portfolio make up are big topics for me. Looking forward to it!
Charlie
Dale Roberts
Thanks Charlie, welcome to the Club. I have sent you an email. 🙂
Dale
Gerry
Please sign me up for the retirement club. Thanks!
Olek
Hi Dale,
Always really enjoy reading your newsletter. Portfolio make up and ongoing optimization of investments in all areas would be an interest as well as various hobbies and interests to take on in retirement. Please send me more information on the retirement club Dale. Thank you!
June
Hi Dale ! We are interested in the Retirement Club! Already have a few years under our belt but always interested in learning, specifically meltdown of RRSP’s and in what order.
Thank you!
Jay Taylor
Please send me more details around retire club. Always want to hear about decumulation strategies. Thank you Jay
Ed von Euw
Hi Dale,
Yes, we’re interested in joining the retirement club. We’re four years in, and have learned alot about the importance of purpose and volunteering. We’d like to learn more about how to efficiently draw upon registered and non-registered accounts, and CPP, OAS, and so on.
Sandra Brown
Hi Dale,
I am currently retired and with a few years already under my belt. I too would like to learn more about the retirement club. Always up for a challenge!
Sandra
Dave
Yes, I would be interested in learning more about the retirement club. I plan to retire in the next few months. Decumulation of LIRA and RRSP funds (approximately 2/3 USD equity) in a tax efficient manner while increasing my CAD TFSA are of interest.
Dale Roberts
Thanks Dave, I have sent an email. Nice to read of your U.S. overweight 🙂
T. Burke
Dale,
I am interested in your retirement club.
T. Burke
Dale Roberts
Thanks so much, I have sent you an email.
Dale
Colleen Rayner
Hello, I would be interested in joining your retirement club. Please send me more information.
Thanks
Rama
Hi Dave,
I am interested in joining the retirement club. I plan to retire in the next few years and would like to learn about LIRA, RRIF, RRSP withdrawal and tax efficient.
Brian
Dale, I will be interested in the Retirement club when you get it started.
Diana Beaton
Hi Dale, I’m interested in joining your retirement club.
Diana
Lila Clarkson
Hello Dale,
I would like to join the retirement club and get your advice on the EQ Advance Notice Saving Account .
Thanks,
Lila